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While I have no ability to judge the veracity of the claims of Soylent.me -- let me tell you the only reason I am hopeful it works is for the same reason Jobs only wore black turtle-necks and jeans: simplicity.

I want to be able to take a good fuel for my body and indulge in great food whenever I want.

I want to be able to back-pack for a week with only a 4-pound food supply.



> I want to be able to take a good fuel for my body and indulge in great food whenever I want.

Then eat some meat and some vegetables.

> I want to be able to back-pack for a week with only a 4-pound food supply.

Then take trail mix.


Trail mix is elementary school crap, we trail Nazis have all moved to pemmican. Better density and energy content.


jacques_chester, The Dream Killer.

P.S.: I am currently eating Chicken I made with a side of snap-peas from my garden. I do what you say already -- I just also want an alternative which has incredible shelf-life, portability, cost-benefit, etc. etc. etc.


Dream killer? Nah, merely a young curmudgeon. I need my 10,000 hours of grumping so that "get off my grass" really stings, y'know?

By the way -- there are such alternatives already available. Have you bought any before?


What are they? I'm interested in "I'm too lazy to cook today but don't want to eat unhealthy fast food" food.


Seriously? You are unaware of meal replacement bars and drinks?

https://www.google.com/search?q=meal+replacement+shakes

Almost all of them are marketed to the diet crowd. There are a bunch of 'atkins' branded bars, too, if you are going the low-carb route. Slim-fast, I know, can be had in giant tubs for relatively little money per serving; I remember as a kid, looking through my grandparent's pantry and finding a giant tub of slim-fast.

This is a huge industry. I mean, sure, marketing it to hackers is a new thing, and something I, personally, would have never considered, and the guy is doing a hell of a job of it, but yeah; the product itself is nothing new, even if he's selling to a group that has not yet been targeted.


> marketing it to hackers is a new thing, and something I, personally, would have never considered, and the guy is doing a hell of a job of it

Really, it's textbook. He's using his ties and understanding of a subculture demographic to market to it specifically.


>Really, it's textbook. He's using his ties and understanding of a subculture demographic to market to it specifically.

Sure, but the execution (to me) looks good. He is doing a way better job, for example, than I've done at marketing VPSs - a product that is much more natural to this market. Better, I think, than I did even back when I had a compelling price advantage over the competition.


I was indeed unaware of them, they sound good, thank you.


Yeah, I can't guarantee they are better than fast food. But, I bet you can find one that is similar to Soylent. It is more convenient than fast food.

I actually kinda like the McDonald's salads. I mean, as far as you can like fast food at all. If you go easy on the dressing, (the dressing comes in a package that looks like a giant-size katsup packet, so you get to decide how much you eat.) I think it's probably pretty healthy, I mean, at least when you compare to shakes.

I have used meal-replacement shakes in the past as supplemental breakfast; I like to load up on calories in the morning, but eating can be... hard before my system wakes up, so the meal-replacement shakes (with as much breakfast as I can choke down) is a reasonable way to consume as many calories as I can in the morning.

Of course, for me? meal-replacement shakes have never quelled hunger like real food, so I'm no longer using them just because I'm trying to reduce the number of calories I consume. If I eat something, it had better make me feel not hungry for a good long time. I'm having the best luck with meat and vegetables... the carbohydrates tend to make me hungry shortly afterwards. On the other hand, I have not lost significant weight. (I vary from 200 to 195#, and that has been true for some time now. As far as I can tell, most of that 5# is either water gain or loss, or inaccuracy of my cheap bathroom scale.) so "you shall know him by his fruits" - don't take my advice on losing weight, as I've not managed to do so myself.

Also, a big, sarcastic thanks. after that 'meal replacement shake' query on google, now just about every webpage I load is trying to sell me some sort of 'optimized nutrition' (Google seems to get that I'm male-identified and thus is trying to sell me the shakes targeted at 'building lean muscle' - you know, the stuff with the rippling abs on the can. Google does not seem to be smart enough to notice that I quite often google things I don't intend to buy. Really, books on what I'm searching for are usually more appropriate than products I'm searching for. Not that I often buy books through ads... but it's more likely than me buying nutrition shakes targeted at bodybuilders.)


Hmm, thanks. If they don't sate my hunger, there's no reason to them. I'll either keep cooking chicken breasts (you just pop them in the oven for an hour with minimal preparation and are delicious) or have milk with cereal, one cup of which keeps me full for 5-6 hours. Losing weight with that sort of diet has never been a problem, as I feel full all day and still manage to have a nicely-sized dinner.

About the targeting, either use incognito mode or opt out of targeted advertising (it's in your Google account preferences).


I bought a week's worth of Ensure Complete and was unable to sustain any sort of meal replacement plan on it. Each drink only seemed to alter the 'flavor' of my hunger rather than sate it in any way.


Liquids are nowhere near as effective at satiation as solids.

Fibre and protein can increase the satiety of a drink, though.


You can add fibre, if you think that's going to help.


Yeah. I like chicken; cheap and easy. I put dried chopped onions on mine before cooking, but yeah, that's a huge part of my own diet, along with salads, which are good for 'fill you up' bulk.

I've also started doing slow-cooker pork. I pan fry it when I'm done, and it comes out kind of somewhere between pulled pork and carnitas. I slow-cooked a bunch of boneless beef short ribs last night, I haven't tried them yet. more expensive per pound, but short ribs are so good.

Especially if I cook something in sauce (like chili) I put it in little ziplock baggies and freeze it.


How about actually clicking the links in those search results. Nothing in the first few pages even attempts to provide a food replacement. None of them provide 100% of known essential nutrients. You will develop a vitamin deficiency consuming any of those exclusively. That is in no way accomplishing what soylent claims to do.


>None of them provide 100% of known essential nutrients. You will develop a vitamin deficiency consuming any of those exclusively. That is in no way accomplishing what soylent claims to do.

Personally? I dismiss those claims as marketing fluff. I am not competent to evaluate those claims; I'm not saying that the guy is lying or anything, soylent may in fact be perfect. I don't know. but the claims sound so out there that I don't think they are worth evaluating. I am treating them as marketing fluff until/unless credible people do a credible study.

I suspect that none of the other meal replacement drinks make such claims due to fear of legal liability. "A delicious shake for breakfast, lunch, and a sensible dinner" is the standard formula, which is reasonable; I'm sure Soylent would work just fine on a similar plan. (hell, for most of us, water would work just fine.)

I bet that as Soylent accumulates money (and lawyers) they will move towards a model where they emphasize 'And a sensible dinner'


I am not talking about claims, I am talking about the nutrition info required to be provided by law. We know that there are a bunch of chemical compounds we call "vitamins" which are required to maintain our health. Soylent provides 100% of all of them. Meal replacement drinks do not.


http://abbottnutrition.com/brands/products/ensure-plus-retai...

And really, if you think that the RDA is good enough, just take your vitamin pills.


Does Soylent explicitly and specifically claim to be a total food replacement?

Or do we all just think that because of the original blog post?


Well we all know how Steve Jobs foray into doing it his way turned out. I am all for new and ingenious ways to maintaining one's health. However I am not for new ways that don't have the strong trusted evaluations.

The number of bad habits I engage in over my days is one thing, I am not about to jump from fad to fad in hopes of out smarting the medical community.


Um, blaming pancreatic cancer on eating too much fruit?


I want to be able to back-pack for a week with only a 4-pound food supply.

That's doable already. 4-pounds of dehydrated food will last you a week, and has the advantage that you get to eat something different for every meal.




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