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How to become Internet famous for $68 (qz.com)
296 points by coldtea on April 18, 2013 | hide | past | favorite | 61 comments


A lot of this boils down to: it's hard to follow links.

Someone's massive Twitter following is simply a large list of links to follow up on...and determining their fakeness is algorithmically but who has the time to check each follower's activity level? Most social media "professionals" I know have no clue except to trust a paid-for black box analysis service.

And many well-accepted Wikipedia articles have plenty of dead links in their footnotes, even though such cruft should be easy to red flag. What's harder to diagnose are footnotes that refer to information in print. If I told you that, among my accomplishments, the story of how I built my fortune is referred to on pages 106-118 of one of Malcolm Gladwell's early, more obscure titles...how many Wikipedia editors would bother to look that up? Or maybe I just make up a book and enter in a random ISBN.

It's still all-to-easy to avoid examination by promising that the original source of the info is just one click away. As long as you don't inspire anyone to vet you out of jealousy or spite, you could go undetected for a long while, despite the power of the hyperlink


"A lot of this boils down to: it's hard to follow links."

Its not that hard. We have a search engine which does it all day and all night, billions and billions. But it does make people less willing to engage. I've speculated for a while now that you could do a twitter equivalent of hellbanning where people who were hellbanned saw their robot followers but people who were considered 'legit' saw the number that twitter actually thought were people. If you just blow away the bot followers then the people who have them will be disillusioned and not actually use twitter or point people at it, so it is in Twitter's interest to have them out their pushing the story 'follow me on Twitter, everyone else does!' even if that is fake. Hopefully those people will find someone real to follow and become customers.


FWIW, there is at least one bot on Wikipedia that crawls for dead reference links and marks them as such.


How often does it crawl? Just this week I tried to look up a reference on a page and found it dead, probably for quite some time (I forget the page I was on).


Well it turns out I may have been mistaken; the bot that I thought did that is defunct, and I cannot easily find another that does that. After thinking about it, I can see some reasons why you might not want a bot automatically marking links as dead. There are these, which I think are a bit more manual in nature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Link_rot#Bots


Please share those reasons. The only one I can think of is false positives of temporarily down servers, which could be mitigated by timed retries.


That is the main reason. Another would be some sort of "Content not here anymore" message that doesn't conform to HTTP status code standards, giving a false negative.


it probably is more profitable for twitter not to get rid of most fake accounts


"Internet famous" still involves actual humans being aware of your existence. This guy just bought some Twitter followers, posted a fake Wikipedia article, and then arbitrarily declared his alter ego internet famous. Color me unimpressed.

He could have at least tried to do something with this alter ego to test if his manufactured "fame" could withstand the slightest bit of human scrutiny. Instead, all he proved is that websites like Kred use faulty algorithms to measure social media influence.

At least we learned one thing, though: Kred is preying on giant companies like Procter & Gamble and Budweiser that still can't grasp the concept of social media.


I think that was his point. By "Internet Famous" he is not actually famous to the greater internet, but convincingly appears so.

Obviously if put to the test, the crack experts on the internet could see through his BS via Google, but the people you would try to leverage being internet famous with tend not to be internet savvy -- hence his point about the large multinational companies getting suckered into kred.


> By "Internet Famous" he is not actually famous to the greater internet

So he's internet famous but not internet famous?

> . . .but convincingly appears so. Obviously if put to the test, the crack experts on the internet could see through his BS via Google

And it's convincing but not convincing?

I think you're being extremely generous by saying it would take an "expert" to see through his paper-thin facade.


I don't see the big thing in this. The title of the article is "How to become internet famous for $68" but I can't seem to understand in what way Santiago Swallow is to be considered famous. Kevin Ashton writes that he bought 90k followers. According to the screen shot, it seems like he lost almost 5 000 of those, not a good turn out. As the article also states:

"Santiago Swallow may be one of the most famous people no one has heard of."

Fame is based on how many people knows you. If no one knows your name, your not famous. If the Santiago setup doesn't generate new followers on Twitter, the tactic isn't very successful.

From my point of view, Santiago Swallow is (was) a very static Twitter account that haven't come to life.

To call a thing like this successful, there has to be other, external forces giving life into the persona. From what I can see, everything about Santiago comes from the creator, not from anyone else.


This reminds me of Lorenzeo Von Matterhorn: http://www.lorenzovonmatterhorn.com/

The premise of the article is thought-provoking, but slightly invalid. A few things:

- Like all fakes, they eventually get caught.

- Maintaining fame is a lifelong journey.

- As places like twitter get more and more saturated the less likely "10,000+" followers will matter.

- You only have one thing in this world, your reputation. If you screw it up by buying fake followers, you have 10 times more of the work you require to naturally build reputation in order to climb out of the hole you've put yourself in.

What would be REALLY interesting is to see what kind of money Santiago Swallow generated from his "internet fame".


>Like all fakes, they eventually get caught.

From a logically consistent point of view, how can you even prove that? Nobody except those "in the game" would be able to know about fakes that didn't get caught ever. So it's a bias fallacy: you only ever get to hear about fakes that GET caught.

Second, even if we are to believe that all "eventually get caught" what does it matter? If the "eventually" is 2-10 years, that's enough time to do a lot of damage, fool people, etc. It's as if saying "Crime is no biggie, because eventually all criminals get dead".

>- Maintaining fame is a lifelong journey.

If you want to maintain it for a lifetime, yes. If you only want some time in the spotlight, no. Why would a troll or con-artist care to maintain "lifelong fame"? He wants to get something out of the fake identity, it's not like it's his real life.

>- You only have one thing in this world, your reputation. If you screw it up by buying fake followers, you have 10 times more of the work you require to naturally build reputation in order to climb out of the hole you've put yourself in.

Doesn't matter for people that bought the fake followers and didn't get caught. Or whatever similar fake-generation system they used in another medium.


>how can you even prove that?

Fair point, but I suspect the only way this discussion ends in an philosophical debate about perception vs reality.

My overall point is what is end-goal objective for someone who would implement such a technique? To make money? The author is suggesting that it's easier and cheaper building your personal brand (and thus reap benefits) than to work hard organically. Furthermore that we should be concerned that it is possible. My perspective is "So what? These people are running very risky lives and will get caught. Even if they don't, they still live carrying a massive burden of risk". Social network have equally positive and negative powers associated with them.


I wish Wikipedia would score their pages based on # of contributors and their past contribution histories, and flag the page at the top for the user if the score is too low. I tend to trust Wikipedia as a legitimate source, but if it can be gamed so easily that trust will quickly be lost.


Seems like such a system would just make it more exciting to game.


If I wrote an article about an Internet-famous real person claiming I made them up, would that get their Wikipedia page taken down?


The cached version of the twitter account that was suspended within this article:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttps...


My theory is that the only reason businesses think Twitter is big is because of the large number of fake people. Of people that I personally know, only about a dozen are active Twitter users.


I don't know how old you are or your profession, but as a 24 year old in the creative community, literally every single person I know is an active Twitter user, and many have replaced it with texting. I live in Richmond, VA so not exactly a tech hub.


...and how many people do you know? Not how many people are you following/interacting with on Twitter, but what's the number of people in your creative community? 100, 200, 250 tops? Just because your niche of friends is using Twitter as a preferred communications platform lends it no more credence as a popular/preferred platform over Live Messenger/Skype, Google+ Hangouts, Instagram, Facebook Messaging, etc.

As an experiment, count up the number of distinct people (that're following you back) that you've had twitter conversations with in the past 60 days.


One guy has an anecdote, then another guy has an anecdote. Unless it was actually analyzed as part of the whole, its all speculation.


I follow over 1000 accounts on Twitter, almost all of them linked to specific individuals and involved in something creative - games, music, art, or writing(including journalism). So I have a little bit more data than most.

The tweet-per-day rates for these accounts roughly follow a power law, going by a mix of sampling individual accounts and observing my own TL. A decent number are known to be real but look essentially abandoned(from a follower's perspective - they may be lurking). At the other end some top 200 tweets per day. The middle of the curve is at around 4-5 TPD.

These accounts do not all treat Twitter uniformly, of course. Some broadcast their personal updates to work or life. Some of them ask questions. Some are posting bon mots. By far the most popular activity is commentary on news items, though. Because I follow so many accounts I also see a substantial subset of semi-private conversations, which usually appear from the commentary tweets.

Now: Is this valuable? The technical restrictions mean it doesn't replace email or regular blogging, but I see a lot of serendipitous conversations that can't occur in other contexts(too much overhead). This is nearly ideal for creative types, and I believe that is what's making them gravitate to it.


Yeah I mean I was just making my anecdotal observation. I wouldn't say my community is more than 100 people, and I probably interact with 40-50 on Twitter regularly (in a month). Not a huge sample, just what I can see from my small window into the world.


... literally every single person I know is an active Twitter user,

and

many have replaced it with texting.

Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated.


I think they are saying that many people they knows use Twitter rather than text, which isn't particularly uncoordinated nor is it a non-sequitur.


They may be trying to say that, but they actually said the opposite.


I said that very badly, to the point of counteracting my meaning. My father would be so ashamed, nobody tell him.


My fault y'all: many have replaced TEXTING with Twitter.


Gaaah, I hate Quartz's site design.


All I get is "Your browser doesn't support Javascript..." :)

Really wish people didn't require that to let me read some text.


They don't want to let you see some text.

They also want to show you their ads (which are JS based) and put some bread on their tables.

They could make them plain images or text, but why bother (and work extra) for the insignificant number of JS-disabling people? Not to mention that those same people are likely to block ads anyway...

So, no JS, no service.


I have JS enabled, don't use adblock, but I do use Ghostery. Quartz is the only site (that I've found) which blocks content because I block third-party tracking. I have no idea if this is by design.


but doesn't this impact SEO having JS-only content? Or is dynamic content now fully rendered by serach engines?


Google has some guidelines to be able to search dynamic (js) content too. Plus, the bot (which is some headlines webkit, I've read) also runs javascript before it reads the page.

Now, that's for Google, but anyway, ATM, I think, Google is the only search engine that matters.


The link doesn't seem to go through to the article. Here's a direct link if the one above didn't work for you either:

http://qz.com/74937/how-to-become-internet-famous-without-ev...


I don't know about his other claims, but this one seemed a little suspicious: "Next I gave him a face by mashing up three portraits from Google images using a free trial copy of Adobe’s “Lightroom” image manipulation software."

As a user of Lightroom since version 1 in 2007, and spending many hundreds of hours using it as my main image-editing program on 40,000+ images since then, it would be my last choice of imaging software to "mash[] up three portraits"

I'm not sure if it's even possible to combine multiple images in Lightroom; it's more for making global adjustments to single images. There might be a way to do it using a third-party plugin, but most Lightroom functions work on the whole image (adjusting exposure, white balance, etc). There are some cloning and healing tools, but as far as I know, there's no way to clone a nose out of one portrait and paste it into another.

Even if it's possible, it's not something that a first-time user would be able to do in the author's two hour window on April 14th after downloading the free trial, especially given all his other activities.

Maybe the author is just trying to CYA for using someone's picture he found online, but if that part is clearly exaggerated, maybe he's just trying to become "internet famous" by making up a made-up "internet famous" alter-ego, or something more meta- like that.


What companies have solved the Twitter reputation problem reliably?

Certainly this is just a matter of looking at the followers, seeing how old those accounts are, how long they've been tweeting, and coming up with some sort of normalized score?

I understand there's a ton crawling, but certainly doable. Or am I overlooking something?


I guess what you're overlooking is that there is little financial incentive to do this. No one makes money revealing fake identities; the money is in making them.


If there's enough financial incentive for services like Klout (http://klout.com/home) then presumably there are two subsets of the people targeted, one who want fake followers to be counted, one who would love to be able to show "I'm legit!"


seems like twitter itself should have significant financial incentive to do this


His Klout score was only 23...


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More like how to get a troll Twitter account suspended after you get too giddy and write an article about it.


Yes, more like that.

I mean if you ignore the other 99% of TFA.


Now someone could to step up and form a band called 'Santiago Swallow' following this micro-hype.


Please: do not hide the scroll bar.


I wonder how many "Twitter users" are indeed fakes, bots and duplicates. I think Google+'s requirement for real-names would've been prompted as a result of such tactics.


A good insight on tools and services in the Twitter ecosystem.


The site's a nice WordPress implementation.


The site doesn't load if you block Google Analytics. There's nothing nice about it.


I block GA with AdBlock and the site loaded fine for me.


Hmmm, it loaded for me (and looked great) and I use noscript to block everything.


Ghostery keeps scripting on, but nukes outgoing tracking like GA. The site waits for the pingback from GA, which is never coming.


It didn't load properly for me the first time, and I'm blocking nothing on this browser (FF19)


qz.com? I personally really loathe it but whatever. I'd rather read almost any tech site (design-wise) than QZ.


There are just too many pseudo-intellectuals in this planet. This guy Scott Steinberg was mentioned and so I went to his website to see that whether he is really a 'stay ahead of the curve' kind of guy. There is a video in his front page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C... and after reading the first comment I realized that it is indeed a fake video with no audience. There was pretty much no content in the video too.

And I see so many people claiming themselves to be futurists, leaders blah blah..


Yeah I almost felt bad for the guy as the video was clearly something he paid to make. But I guess as he is "Thrilled to be giving keynote speech at Arizona Board of Nursing's 2014 CNA Educators Retreat!" Someone seems to think it is worth paying him to say basic stuff.

I guess fake it 'till you (sorta) make it is not dead.


Looks like he lost about 5,000 followers in a day.

I think he had like 24k and now he has 19k.


I thought he was a pretty good speaker but I do see what you are saying. Considering that there's no real audience, it seems like he's not trying to fool anyone, it's just to give an idea of his skills as a speaker, it's a resume piece.




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