> Once again, I'm not interested in "who is worse" pissing contests, but please educate yourself.
Way to speedrun your argument being shit. I am now free to not take it seriously.
I'll reply for the other onlookers anyway.
> The Great Leap Forward
I know quite well about how awful China was to its own citizens during Mao years, thank you very much.
The thing is, I don't care. China can be as awful as it wants to be to it's own citizens.
The US has a very long list of spying and interfering (many times very violently) abroad. That is what I am concerned about, and that was the point I was replying to.
I could say something along the lines of you needing to educate yourself, but I tend to not seed asphalt.
> The Tibetan government in exile believes as many as 1.2 million Tibetans died as a result of Mao's invasion of Tibet in 1949.
Again, I don't care. China sees places like Tibet and Taiwan as China. Not my problem.
China never threated to send troops to invade Greenland.
> People who are genuinely interested in justice, human rights and peace should be horrified by what both the US and China have done.
In many ways, I am. But that is not what is being discussed here.
> The thing is, I don't care. China can be as awful as it wants to be to it's own citizens.
Way to speedrun proof that you're an abhorrent person.
> Again, I don't care. China sees places like Tibet and Taiwan as China. Not my problem.
> China never threated to send troops to invade Greenland.
So China causing more than a million deaths and displacements when it actually invaded a functionally sovereign state (Tibet) and threatening to invade and seize Taiwan, which has its own democratically-elected government, constitution, currency, central bank, military, etc. "is not your problem" but somehow Trump threatening to invade Greenland is your problem?
Unless you're a Greenlander, by your own standard, you have no legitimate reason to care about the ~57,000 people who live in Greenland. Let China take Taiwan, and let the US have Greenland.
> So China causing more than a million deaths and displacements when it actually invaded a functionally sovereign state (Tibet) and threatening to invade and seize Taiwan, which has its own democratically-elected government, constitution, currency, central bank, military, etc. "is not your problem"
Correct.
> but somehow Trump threatening to invade Greenland is your problem?
Correct.
> Unless you're a Greenlander, by your own standard, you have no legitimate reason to care about the ~57,000 people who live in Greenland
EU, article 42. Educate yourself.
(Just kidding, it would be in vain).
> You're a real piece of...work.
No, I just live in a country that does not pretend to be the world police.
I can't do shit about China invading Tibet or Taiwan, much in the same way I can't do shit about Israel turning Gaza into an open-air Auschwitz, beyond writing mean words on the internet.
But I can recognize what country poses the biggest threat to my living nowadays. That country is not China, it is the US.
> No, I just live in a country that does not pretend to be the world police.
No, you're just an abhorrent person.
The fact that you don't care about the people of Tibet, Taiwan, or any other country or group of people that you don't deem important because they don't share your interests, but feign fear that your life could be shattered by Trump invading Greenland, speaks volumes about what type of person you are.
The largest contributor to the EU economy (Germany) was responsible for the worst genocide in human history. The second and fourth largest (France and Spain) were two of the most brutal colonial powers in history, and their wealth today wouldn't exist without the resources they violently extracted from their colonies. Portugal was the largest participant in the Transatlantic Slave Trade. The wealth of the Netherlands today stems from the Dutch trading empires of the 17th century, which were responsible for shameful atrocities around the world.
The EU narrative is one of a peace project but in reality, it's pretty obvious that it was an attempt to maintain Europe's geopolitical relevance after the post-WW2 rise of the US and USSR. When the EEC was founded, it even incorporated France and Belgium's African colonies and fully absorbed French Algeria, where, by the way, somewhere between 400,000 and 700,000 people eventually died during the fighting for independence from France (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_War).
Humans anywhere and everywhere (the US, Europe, China, etc.) can be horrible, and your loathsome comments prove that in microcosm.
> The fact that you don't care about the people of Tibet, Taiwan, or any other country or group of people
They have my sympathy. But I can't do anything about it. Nor can you.
What exactly do you propose in a conversation that started by people discussed using Chinese LLMs instead of LLMs from the US?
> but feign fear that your life could be shattered by Trump invading Greenland, speaks volumes about what type of person you are.
The country where I live would, per article 42 of the treaty of the European Union, have to defend Denmark if the US took military action to take over Greenland.
I am not feigning anything, this would absolutely have a major negative impact in my life.
In many ways, Iran was the best ally the EU could have hoped for. By bravely resisting US aggression, it made the war costly enough that invading Greenland would probably be politically untenable now.
> The largest contributor to the EU economy (Germany) was responsible for the worst genocide in human history.
In recent memory, yes. I can think of others that may have been worse in relative numbers, but further in the past and not as well documented to know for sure.
> The second and fourth largest (France and Spain) were two of the most brutal colonial powers in history, and their wealth today wouldn't exist without the resources they violently extracted from their colonies. Portugal was the largest participant in the Transatlantic Slave Trade.
I know quite well about all that. In fact, I come from one country that used to colonized by such powers.
You can mention many more past nations, empires and so on, all with their laundry list of atrocities. Imperial Japan, Mongolian empire, Ottomans, Aztecs, British Empire, etc and so forth.
I am still not sure what is your point. I don't think you have any to be fair, beyond some vague anxiety that people would use Chinese LLMs.
> Humans anywhere and everywhere (the US, Europe, China, etc.) can be horrible, and your loathsome comments prove that in microcosm.
I am horrible because I care about things that affect me directly while caring a lot less about thing that don't?
Or am I horrible because when I evaluate two evils I would pick one that affects me less?
Because in terms of power to enact change in the world, I have none. I am just some middle-aged software engineer living in some small town, somewhere. I don't exactly have the power to do anything for people beyond my immediate vicinity.
"Give me the strength to change what I can, the resilience to accept what I can't, and the wisdom to know one from the other"
> I am horrible because I care about things that affect me directly while caring a lot less about thing that don't?
Your previous words speak for themselves:
> The thing is, I don't care. China can be as awful as it wants to be to it's own citizens.
> Again, I don't care. China sees places like Tibet and Taiwan as China. Not my problem.
You are abhorrent, no matter how hard you want to believe that you're a helpless piece of styrofoam floating in the rough ocean.
I'll give you a hint that your parents should have taught you when you were a child: you can care about other people and have compassion for them even if you're not able to help them.
The seeds that grow into great atrocities have throughout history always been planted by apathy.
> I am just some middle-aged software engineer living in some small town, somewhere.
Way to speedrun your argument being shit. I am now free to not take it seriously.
I'll reply for the other onlookers anyway.
> The Great Leap Forward
I know quite well about how awful China was to its own citizens during Mao years, thank you very much.
The thing is, I don't care. China can be as awful as it wants to be to it's own citizens.
The US has a very long list of spying and interfering (many times very violently) abroad. That is what I am concerned about, and that was the point I was replying to.
I could say something along the lines of you needing to educate yourself, but I tend to not seed asphalt.
> The Tibetan government in exile believes as many as 1.2 million Tibetans died as a result of Mao's invasion of Tibet in 1949.
Again, I don't care. China sees places like Tibet and Taiwan as China. Not my problem.
China never threated to send troops to invade Greenland.
> People who are genuinely interested in justice, human rights and peace should be horrified by what both the US and China have done.
In many ways, I am. But that is not what is being discussed here.