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Tracking Everything I Wore For 1 Year (andrenader.substack.com)
176 points by 0x54MUR41 on July 2, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 129 comments


This is peak HN; I am enjoying it. People boasting about how ones garderobe is more shitty and cheaper than the others. Next topic: why does no one wants to date me?

Clothing is not only functional, it can also help your appearance. Looking good does wonders for your mood. Sex appeal and all that. Unfortunately, aesthetics is positively correlated with price. I wish it wasn´t true. I can easily spot your outfit was cheaply made. I am talking about casual wear.

Premium labels really go the extra mile. Fast, cheap fashion cuts lots of corners.


> Premium labels really go the extra mile. Fast, cheap fashion cuts lots of corners.

I don't disagree that there's good fashion and shoddy fashion but I disagree "premium labels" is how to find good fashion. For me, And I know I'm in the minority here, I find any fashion that shows the branding to be horrible. A plain t-shirt that says nothing vs plain t-shirt with a tiny "Boss", "LV", "Gucci", "Prada" branding on it for 5x to 10x the cost really says "I hoping you'll like my because I'm wearing expensive clothing". It does not say "I have good fashion sense".

Taken to an extreme you get people covered in labels. This is not "good fashion"

https://img.5milesapp.com/image/upload/f_auto,t_i800/v150598...

But it is "premium labels"

I certainly agree that dressing well (different definitions of well) generally has positive outcomes. Much of my family is fine wearing dirty old soiled t-shirts with holes in them and it bugs me. Especially when I want to take them somewhere and they're clearly out of place in those clothes relative to the rest of the people around. At the same time they're all doing fine and no care.


> Next topic: why does no one wants to date me?

> Sex appeal and all that

That's just nonsense. My wardrobe value has never exceeded ~GBP250. I buy new clothing probably once every 2-3 years and even then the average spend is around GBP40-60, usually when stuff has completely worn out. I've only owned one or two items of clothing that had a "label" and they were from TKMax.

As a bloke, despite cheaping out on my sartorial choices I've never had a problem with dates/sex/relationships. It's all about personality, not being a dick and maintaining some semblance of basic personal hygiene.


It's mainly about being in a social group that facilitates romantic relationships and marriage, and/or putting personal effort into dating. People with no hygiene mate a lot.


I dapple in the clothes industry and sometimes it feels like people get really turned off if their clothes are not made by literal slaves. Not all expensive brands are ethical but the few dollar t-shirts etc are never. Drift it or pay for the real costs involved. If we don’t fix the idea about what basic necessities like clothes should cost the planet and people living on it are toast.


The problem with this is that there's not necessarily a relationship between price paid and lack of slave labor. At least, you can't guarantee non slave labor by paying more.


Fast fashion is also very harsh on the environment. There is a lot of waste in fast fashion. Much better to buy a smaller number of well-made articles of clothing and take care of them. If you have clothing tailored to fit you well, you will look and feel like a million bucks. It doesn't hurt that you may also become more attractive to the opposite sex. It's the same with personal hygiene and good grooming: it is first and foremost an aid to better health, both physical and mental, and second, a simple way of conveying to the outside world that you are a dependable, social and happy person. However, based on my observations of men, particularly younger men, in software, I have to say they are very poor at taking good care of themselves, physically or mentally, despite a lot of talk about mental health.

Most of the folks in tech, and commenting on this article are likely men in their twenties, and men in that age group do not care very much about their outfits. They also do not have good grooming habits, probably because no one thought to drill it into them at a young age. I have also noticed that if a person in engineering dresses well, he begins to stand out and attract negative attention and comments from his peers, which can discourage even tentative attempts at improving himself in this department (most men in the engineering side of this profession are somewhat shy and reserved to begin with).


> Looking good does wonders for your mood.

For your mood perhaps. I find “good looking” clothing uncomfortable, which makes me feel like shit.


That's interesting; care to elaborate, out of genuine curiosity?

I don't care about fashion, even a little bit. I don't agree with grand-parent post that you need fancy clothes to attract a mate. I'm happy to buy 5 copies of exact same thing that fits me. But in terms of sheer physical comfort, I'm endlessly perplexed by casual fridays and even more so by e.g. people who change out of business casual clothes and into jeans the millisecond they're home (which is basically everyone I know, so I admit I'm clearly the exception:)

A tall lanky male, I find basic business-casual pants the most light weight, practical, not-in-my-way comfortable, well breathing, perfect temperature pants. Jeans are way too constraining and hard and inflexible! In 90% of the weather they put too much heat and pressure on my nether regions. In both cut and material, they were designed to be hard-wearing, not comfortable, so I assume it's psychology that has people prefer them. And most sweat pants don't breathe as well as my lightweight casual business dress pants either, and don't fit me around hips/waist - they either fall off, or are too tight.

The business-casual pants are "inappropriate" to wear at home, so I don't, but I put them on anytime we really go anywhere. People make fun that I'm "way over dressed", and fair enough, but for the life of me I don't understand what is "uncomfortable" about lightweight business casual pants and loose, not-tucked-in polo shirt.

(not to mention that "looking good" is not necessarily a button down shirt and dress pants to begin with, but that's another relevant conversation:)


I used scare quotes around good looking to refer to stereotypically good looking clothes: business suit. I have the impression from media that “real men” wear suits, which is a comfort hell. Dress shoes have heels which stresses my knees and lower back. I cannot raise my arms freely without my tucked-in shirt getting out. Not to mention wearing a jacket (or long-sleeve shirts) in hot weather is absurdity.

I agree with your points. Business-casual pants are really comfortable. And you mentioned not-tucked-in polo shirt. Although I prefer basic t-shirts, the difference doesn’t matter in practice.


To be sure, I didn´t mean one needs a suit or dress pants. I don´t like them even, but I can imagine you like the weight if that is important for you. The downside is that they are more prone to wear then denim.

Personally I prefer some good premium jeans. Nudie and g-star are excellent choices. If you are in your twenties, definitely combine it with a button down shirt or a good hoodie. I didn´t mean people should show up in a suit, on the contrary. But, as a general comment to the other commentators, if you buy your jeans for 20 euro and your t-shirt for 5 euro at your convenience store, I bet you are not going to look well like you could. At least in The Netherlands, in my experience, it is hard to get a sweater for 50 euro with a premium look, at least outside of the sale cycle. Shopping during sale might help to get the better stuff.


What exactly do you find uncomfortable about them? Genuinely asking. Good looking clothes isn’t necessarily a button up and slacks. You can look great in sweatpants and a t shirt. It’s more about fit, color and general aesthetic.


I agree. That’s why I put scare quotes around good looking. Sweatpants and a t-shirt are not stereotypically considered good looking. Button up and slacks do.


To whom? Fashion icons wear joggers and t-shirts all the time. What source is claiming that people need to wear button ups and slacks to look stylish? Sure, there are some workplaces where a degree of formality is required, but formality is *not* fashionability. That's a classic point of confusion around fashion.


Valid point. I think society applies a double-standard to fashion icons. Somehow they are able to wear the most absurd and inappropriate things and still get praised, whereas mere mortals have to wear whatever the fashion industry pumps up.

I hope I’m confused by fashion vs formality. I’m referring to “real men” wear business suits idea that is prominent in media. One example [0]:

> Once you're past 30 or so, there's really no room for T-shirts outside of exercise and physical labor. It's time to show some maturity. The majority of your casual shirts should have collars. Your stepping-outside outfits should almost always be something that would look good if you threw a sports jacket on over them.

[0] https://www.realmenrealstyle.com/dressing-your-age/


It is really more about fit and quality of materials (to a certain price point).


In my experience, highest quality and best fitting button down shirt is a comfort nightmare compared to a good fitting t-shirt. Same for dress shoes vs casual wear shoes.


I recently bought two linen shirts for the first time and they’re heaven in both looks and feel.


Looking good can make an impression that you don't want.


> aesthetics is positively correlated with price. I wish it wasn´t true.

I guess it depends on the taste. I would say the opposite is true (perhaps excluding the most cheap things you can find, but not necessarily).

Of course more expensive stuff will likely last longer and in many cases will be more practical.


> Premium labels really go the extra mile.

Depends on the label, you generally have to go really premium to genuinely get something either well made or particularly interesting.


I dress like shit and I have gf. I will go out on a limb and say that it even helped my dating (by weeding out undesirable partners).


Tired of this lifestyle and self-improvement nonsense on a forum called Hacker News. Real hackers sit with a big Unix beard in a dark basement filled with old pizza boxes and empty Jolt Cola cans. The only time you should even meet another person is on a demo party.


> This is peak HN; I am enjoying it. People boasting about how ones garderobe is more shitty and cheaper than the others. Next topic: why does no one wants to date me?

> Clothing is not only functional, it can also help your appearance. Looking good does wonders for your mood. Sex appeal and all that.

I would bet good money this was written by a straight man, but have you ever considered there's also butch lesbians working in blue collar jobs that have wardrobes which are primarily composed of functional, rugged clothing, often in dark colors that don't meet your requirement of getting dates and having sex appeal?

not just one segment of society (straight cis male HN reading six figure job guys who don't put effort into dressing themselves) wears something other than what your societal expecations think they should to not be "shitty" and "cheap".

your comment itself is peak HN...


I don't associate functional, rugged workwear with "shitty and cheap" myself. Having gone through a workwear phase, I know exactly how expensive quality functional clothing can be.


Diminishing returns after a certain price threshold but true still.


Wow, that's a lot of clothes! I wear like 10 [t-shirts,socks,underwear] and 2 pairs of [pants,shorts,footwear] and replace them at the thrift shop (except underwear and footwear) when they wear out. Counting jackets and hats and sportswear and more-formal-wear (i.e. shirts with buttons and collars) it can't all be worth $500.


I live in the following:

  - 2 pairs of jeans, on rotate
  - About 20 t-shirts
  - 20-ish sets of underwear + socks
  - About 3-4 sweaters/jumpers/hoodies
  - 1 pair of boots
  - 1 pair of worn out trainers
That's basically it. Some of my t-shirts are over 15 years old, in fact 99% of what I wear is over 3 years old. Spending over $500 in a year on clothing is totally alien to me!

Einstein had it right:

"Albert Einstein reportedly bought several variations of the same grey suit so that he wouldn't have to waste time deciding what to wear each morning."

The only clothing I actually care about are my t-shirts. They all have graphic prints on them depicting things I care about. Mostly Films or Metal Bands.

Oddly, the worn-out trainers I wear I bought new on eBay several years ago, and it was only some time later that I realised they were limited edition Nike Cortezs that have since sky rocketed in price (for new-in-box) and now cost £500+ . I bought them because I liked the colour, and have practically worn them to death. Trainer/sneaker collectors must hate me now.


> Spending over $500 in a year on clothing is totally alien to me!

If you care about ethical production it's difficult to spend less.

> "Albert Einstein reportedly bought several variations of the same grey suit so that he wouldn't have to waste time deciding what to wear each morning."

This sounds incredibly joyless -- the aesthetic equivalent of eating huel for every meal.


> This sounds incredibly joyless -- the aesthetic equivalent of eating huel for every meal.

Joyless for some, bliss for others.


> If you care about ethical production it's difficult to spend less.

Is it a requirement of ethical production that clothes don't last and must be regularly replaced??


Clearly not, that's such an uncharitable read of what I'm saying that it doesn't feel worth responding to.


I'm not sure what you're trying to write that implies that ethical clothing production requires $500 annual clothing spend, then.


It is highly ethical to buy used clothes, wear them for multiple years and then return them to the flow as the OP suggested. It is morally dubious to fund greenification projects that pretend there is environmentally friendly cotton that is very expensive, etc.


One of the only things I used to love about having to wear a uniform was the lack of attention needed to spend deciding what to wear each day.

You may like clothing, playing with what you wear may give you joy, but for some having to find clothes they feel comfortable wearing, then having each day to select something to wear, ensuring that they meet some criteria that will avoid negative perception from their community is nothing short of hell.

When I find something that fits well, is comfortable and reasonably inexpensive, I purchase a bunch of them and wear them daily for the next couple of years.


This sounds incredibly joyless -- the aesthetic equivalent of eating huel for every meal.

That depends on how you derive joy from it. My wardrobe is fully interchangeable and I generally pick what I wear at random. It's all carefully selected to be a reflection of my personal taste. Having a personal uniform makes me quite happy.


I think that's fair approach to something you don't care too much about, like your clothes for example. Sounds like he just wanted to look presentable. I think it only becomes a problem if it's a pattern that you apply to multiple things in your life.


I prefer to find my joy in things that are not food or clothes.


Yes, HN does seem to skew heavily towards a sort of performative rejection of simple pleasures.

Personally I don't think it's zero sum, enjoying your meals won't make your immaterial pursuits less worthy, for example.


I always own a fortnight's worth of underpants so I can go on a two week vacation without having to worry about laundry...


While I respect your frugality, I will respectfully ponder… are you dressing fashionably? Not trying to be a wanker but as I’ve gotten older I have become more enlightened to… dressing for effect.


Of course I don't dress 'fashionably'. I'm middle aged. My 'fashion' is my personal style - I like it, and stick with it.

The fashion industry exists to sell more clothes, and I won't be part of it.


Wow, that's a lot of clothes!

Funny, I looked at his $3,907.65 total estimate and though that it's quite low for an adult.

Consider though that OP used retail prices, not thrift shop.


Even leaving out a lot of expensive business/formal clothing--which is less common in most circles these days--specialty outdoor activities clothing and footwear adds up in a hurry, especially if you do stuff in cold/snowy winters. It wouldn't surprise me if my winter outdoor gear added up to that by itself. I admittedly have way too much old clothing I rarely wear (and even more that I really wouldn't miss) but I'm sure my inventory is still way more than that.


I found "more-formal-wear" to include "shirts with buttons" to be quite funny. Just think, you could class up your entire wardrobe by sewing NFC buttons to random shirts that don't need them...


I'll join the minimalists here. For the past decade, I've only had about 6 shirts, two pair of denim pants, one pair of boots, 4 pairs of socks, a rain coat and a jacket. I go through one pants every 2 years (as it gets riddled with holes I can't patch up anymore). Most but a few are black and made out of wool. Having worn wool clothing, it's hard to go back to cotton, linen or synthetic. Not only wool dries super fast and regulates body temperature better, it doesn't get smelly as fast as the other fabrics. Black color hides hard to remove stains that otherwise would require harsh chemicals to get rid of, reducing the fabric's life.

The main reason for living this way is not to have to spend brain cycles deciding what to wear every day.


I had the same reaction, though for me I have a bunch more tshirts, most of which I didn’t pay for. I just keep two piles of shirts on my shelf. In the morning I take the top shirt off the “active” pile. Clean shirts from the laundry go on top of the other pile. When they wear out they go into the garage as rags.

Side note, I think cost per wear should factor in laundry costs. I suppose you could consider that just part of overhead if everything is just wash & wear, but it would come into play if you had anything that needed special treatment (suits to dry cleaners or something).


I like the trick I learned to hang all your shirts with the hanger the wrong way. Then when you wash them, hang them normally.

Each spring, if a long-sleeve shirt is still the wrong way, it's time to get rid of it. Then I hang all remaining the wrong way for next fall/winter. Short sleeve get culled in late fall, with the rest reversed for next spring/summer.

Like the author, there are a few I hang on to, for practical (or sentimental) reasons. Sometimes I'll keep an disliked t-shirt around because I'll probably use it for grimy yard work at some point.


I've sometimes had items of clothing I disliked for a decade, then suddenly found extremely great.

But I do agree with the practice for short-sleeved shirts (not t-shirts), except the time for culling is not late fall, but rather, if applicable, early afternoon. Somehow it's an item strictly reserved for middle-aged overweight bus drivers in my neck of the woods.


That is a good system if you spend most of your time in the same general area/climate.

I live in a warm climate and have managed to transition to doing very little business travel anymore. But when I go someplace where it's too cold to wear shorts and t-shirt (or where I just want to wear something slightly more business appropriate) I often have to pack things that I might not have worn for a year or more.


LOL this is awesome! I ran choosemyboxers.com in college back in 2001 and had people rate and pick my underwear. I told all my friends and no one found it interesting because my boxers were "lame". One month it randomly blew up and I got enough ad revenue to replace my entire boxer collection. However it never went anywhere so I let it stagnate and eventually the shell I was hosting it on moved on to new ventures


The most interesting observation I made was color. Everything worn was gray or darkest blue at the flashiest. I was surprised to see no analysis of color. It would be interesting to quantify if the author's "bottom half" was generally 5% darker than the author's "top half" or maybe the opposite or maybe it averages out exactly the same.

I live in a 4-season state and I would be pretty interested to see if I, or people in general in my area, vary their average clothing color by the season. I would theorize the people get tanned in the summer, intentionally or not, varying by race quite a bit of course, and that skin tone change would influence average clothing color selections. Another theory is I notice I wear slightly warmer-brighter clothes in the winter, in an opposition to winter's dreariness, I almost feel compelled to wear a bright Hawaiian shirt if its snowing. A third theory is people would wear lighter colors around the peak of summer to limit solar heating. A fourth theory I have is summer heat seems most comfy in clothing that's tighter or looser than average for cooling reasons and middle of the road size would the minimum of comfort in the heat, whereas in the winter middle of the road tightness would seem the best balance of warmth and comfort. These theories could all be wrong, or right, of course.

A completely different side issue is over the years I accumulate more self-created uniforms and I wonder if that would show up in the data. I have a uniform of grungy old clothes resembling the color of used motor oil for changing oil or similar greasy repair jobs. I have exactly one set of grungy clothes I wear when I paint that are all stained up so I don't care if I stain them worse. I have exactly one set of clothes for lawnmowing/yardwork, the specific type of synthetic seems to clean up well from tree sap and the shoes are a grass-stained lost cause. I have a set of clothes specifically for shoveling/snowblowing that "tech" stuff that dries quickly because sweating and cold equals hypothermia, or at least extreme discomfort. Most people already have that set of clothes they wear to the gym or other exercise, of course.


Thanks for reading! I do need a little more color in my life. The one key observation I made was:

“Was fascinating to see how color played a big part in wear rates as well. My theory here is simply that my household doesn’t own enough white clothing items so the “white load” of laundry is bi-weekly vs weekly for everything else.”


> Current Wardrobe Value: $3,907.65

I don't have any friends (and I'm happy with this), so I have no reference: do people normally really spend this much on clothing!?

My entire wardrobe is worth around $150, and that's 70% socks.


Amount of money spent on clothes probably correlates strongly to number of social events, no friends probably means you just care about warm feet.


That's understandable, however is near this value usual for people who are frequently social with overlapping attendees?


I mean a decent pair of pants is at least $100 and a shirt is $15-20. Throw in a few shoes and jackets and $4k is very reasonable, depending on the weather.


Let me get this straight: You own $150 worth of clothes, and $105 of it comprises socks (I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that they are the white, crew kind?). With $45 worth of 'clothes', I'm assuming you have boxers and such, which probably take up another $30. Do you even wear anything other than boxer, undershirt, and socks? I mean, unless your comment is pure hyperbole, I am having a difficult time visualizing your wardrobe! In fact, no matter the distribution, I am still having a hard time understanding how you make do with a $150 wardrobe. Do you wash your entire wardrobe literally every day? If so, does it last longer than a year?


Even if you’re super charitable and assume they live in a climate that is warm/tropical all year round, and they can get the basics at Kmart or thrift stores (not knocking Kmart, I will buy certain items from there if I think the quality is sufficiently good) this is hard to compute.


I list my wardrobe and frequency of washing below.

Most of my clothes last a few years.


Yes, I saw that. Very interesting, and if you are an American, pretty atypical. Perhaps you are a minimalist and it's nothing out of the ordinary for you.


OP here. The value here is really the price it was when new. Most of the clothes was purchased over the past 10+ years. I didn't buy any new clothes the year prior to this project at all. I spent more in clothes during the project than I had in the prior few years. But I also had lost nearly 50 pounds and my old clothes wasn't really fitting.


I want to make it clear that I'm not criticizing, but genuinely curious. I don't care if people spend their money on clothing. More power to anyone who does and derives joy from it.

Thank you for more clarification, but I'm still curious if you feel this is about average for your social circle or area?


IMO it would be pretty normal for a collection of clothing over 10+ years for someone with a pretty robust social life. I immediately am thinking of weddings, formal events, party events, family events, exercising, dates (both formal and informal), interviews, and work (I assume this person may have worked in workplaces of various formality).


I have many individual pieces of clothing worth more than that. Nice cashmere is expensive, but soooo soft.

A basic sweater from Loro Piana can easily run a few k, but is absolutely worth the price.

Sky is the limit when it comes to outerwear, I’ve paid around $15k for a nice fur-lined coat. Worth it? Depends on the weather, sometimes I have doubts, but then the winter comes.


I find it amazing that anybody could spend the value of a small car on a piece of clothing.

If you think historically, this is in the range of cost that a knight would have spent on his armour, so more in the range of the utility of a main battle tank in modern terms.


$15k is not worth it for any piece of clothing, at this price point you're just signaling.


It’s the most comfortable garment I’ve ever touched, every moment wearing it is pure bliss. The fur is hardly visible to the outside, so little signaling value.


You're signaling right here, and I bet you've mentioned this before. It's not a problem, people do all kinds of things for signaling, but I hope you're not genuinely convinced you can't find similar bliss for an order of magnitude less than what you paid. That being said, do you have a link to see it?


> I hope you're not genuinely convinced you can't find similar bliss for an order of magnitude less than what you paid

I’ve got extensive experience commissioning various garments in workshops around the world, buying furs from auctions and hunting around the world for fine fabrics.

An order of magnitude simply isn’t realistic, you could create something similar for 33-50% of the money if you were willing to accept a cheaper exterior fabric and a lesser grade of fur. Keep in mind that regardless of materials a well crafted coat will tend to cost a few thousand euros, fur lining requires significantly more work.

If you were to just walk up to a decent tailor and ask for a quote, it’s unlikely they’d give you a number below 10000 euros.

> That being said, do you have a link to see it?

Similar to this one, from a past collection https://it.loropiana.com/en/p/man/coats-and-trench/winter-vo...

Little signaling value outside of anonymous internet conversations, visually indistinguishable from the significantly cheaper (5k) cashmere version without fur, except for the colorway that some sales rep or a true enthusiast might recognize.


If there is a proper winter where someone lives, $150 would barely be enough for a proper winter jacket, no shoes.


Judging by the name of the blog (FAANG FIRE) I suspect this person is plenty well compensated in some sort of prestigious tech job, and if that's the case, then this number doesn't surprise me at all. There are lots of trendy athleisure and technical wear companies that will sell you the equivalent of a sweatshirt for $80, that can add up quick.


"My entire wardrobe is worth around $150, and that's 70% socks."

that doesn't seem possible. If you get a pair of pants, a shirt and shoes it's very likely you are already above $150. Never mind jackets, underwear and other stuff.


I get my clothing secondhand/cheap. I suppose we can differentiate "worth" and "paid for", but even the clothing I have is mid-level/cheap brands (except socks).

- $105 - 5 pairs of socks (purchased because of lifetime warranty and comfort)

- $15 - 5 boxers, purchased new

- $8 - 7 shirts (new on ebay)

- $10 - 1 pair of shoes (very lucky to find these in my size!)

- $5 - 2 pairs of shorts

- $5 - 2 pairs of pants

I do laundry about every 3-5 days.


At least you put your money where it matters most: socks! I wear the same kind of socks and they’re definitely worth the ~$20/pair.


>> If you get a pair of pants, a shirt and shoes it's very likely you are already above $150

That's like $10 at a thrift shop or garage sale. Used to live like that back when I was poor. Now that I'm rich I wear a white T-shirt and sweatpants 99.9% of the time since I have barely left the house in the last 2 and a half years.


In my experience, socks are pretty expensive (at least here in Lithuania) and wear out pretty fast, so for me its reasonable to spend most of the clothing budget on socks...


Holeproof Explorer socks (wool inner, nylon outer) seem to last forever.

I have a few pairs that predate having kids (so 20+ years) and they are still wearable.


I probably have more than that in shoes alone.


Can't relate. No Ren-Fair costumes? No gardening boots, gloves or shirts? What about hiking clothes?

I own about 4 mundane shirts, 3 pairs of pants. That's it. Not much to track for me.


Sometimes I wonder if people notice that I wear the same 4-5 shirts over and over every week. All of my long sleeve shirts were bought I think from Sears back before their fall, so my cost-per-wear has to be astronomically low by now.


I was dating this one person who works in fashion. All my clothes are neutral basics, so I can just wear whatever on any given day and look similar but vaguely different. Said person picked up on my entire wardrobe once noticing I started recycling items, probably on date 6 or 7, and let me know hahah.

I guess some people have a knack for detail about such things.


I was wondering about my costs too, but since I didn't obsessively track how many times I wear a single item a more simple analysis is annual cost divided by the year. $150 spent annually on shoes. $150/365 = $0.41 daily.

Guesstimating your costs: 5 shirts $20 to $40 each (guessing Sears costs) $100 to $200 annual cost or $0.27 to $0.55 daily costs for shirts.


Unless clothes are dirty or you smell bad, people really don't care about your clothes, you're not the center of the world.


Agree when we are talking about random people on the streets and fleeting encounters. But, for example, I would not go to an interview in sweatpants and flip-flops. There are also social situations where I expect my counterparts to be dressed with more care. It is not necessarily the right way to treat people but I've witnessed several times someone being judged in professional situations for very wrinkled, old threadbare t-shirts, as an example.

Mine is a European perspective.


This is absolutely true. Even then, if you only need it for those occasions then that takes up a very small part of the wardrobe. A single outfit of formal wear and a small selection of normal wear is what my closet looks like, would imagine most people in the world have wardrobes like that due to the expense of clothing. I do like wearing it when I have the chance, though.


Anyone who is bothered by that is not someone you should care about


'noticing something' is neutral. 'bothered' is indeed not the way.


If someone notices it in a neutral way then why does it matter? I’ve noticed colleagues wearing the same t Shirt repeatedly and not put any more thought to it


it doesn't. that's the point. the comment I was replying to was down-voted and I suspected people misread exactly that.


A tip: You can buy decent, unbranded t-shirts from places like [0] for low single digit dollars. I finally got tired of every shirt being subtly different, remembering which ones fit which way, and just bought 15 t-shirts. Same model number, same size, assortment of colors.

There’s a weird thrill I get in the morning knowing that this is one less decision.

[0]: https://www.t-shirtwholesaler.com/


Whenever I buy cheap clothes I end up regretting it. A quality t-shirt will not only last 3 times as long as a cheap one, it’ll actually look good during its lifespan


I've done this but from jiffyshirts.com. I usually would purchase the Gildan brand but they would end up shrinking overtime. Which is better, 3 shirts at $3 that shrink overtime or 1 shirt at $15 ?

I think the key is to find something that is not 100% cotton but rather 50% cotton/50% polyester. Looking at the material difference between the shirts I've purchased, the Gildan heather colors are 50/50 where as the the other colors are either 100% cotton or 90/10. By comparison, the Dickies heavyweight and Carhartt heavyweight are 50/50 and 60/40 material.


How much time are we talking about? I’m maybe 9 months into my batch of Gildan shirts, and haven’t noticed anything yet.


Depends on the material. 100% cotton lasts weeks to months before it shrinks. The blended material shirts tend to last longer in my experience.


The shirts might be under $3, but I wonder what is the human cost?


The same as the shirts you’d buy at a normal box chain, probably.


The cartoon characters have been doing it right for decades!


Hey HN, this is my original content. Happy to answer any questions. Turned out to be a fun little project.


Hey, thanks for the writeup, I thought this was very interesting. Were there any items that surprised you in how long or short they hold up for?


Since I only talked for a year I didn’t get into the full life of items. Some of my clothes I’ve owned for 10 years too!

One good realization was recognizing the type of items I would immediately come to wherever they were clean. As well as the awesome potentially low cost per wear of items that can be worn multiple times per week (obvious in retrospect but nice to know that spending a little more for quality on shoes, pants, and jackets can be worth it).


This seems to me like a case of premature (or unnecessary) optimization. If one really wants to optimize their wardrobe, following a more Steve Jobs-like approach, and reducing the number of garments owned is the way to go.

Due to my carry-on-only lifestyle I own ~ one week of warm weather clothing, combined with a few warmer layers that I wear in colder weather. I wear almost the same thing every week, and I wear it until it's worn out, then replace it. I never own anything I don't wear.

It's so simple, and I waste so little time and money on my clothes. I am fashion conscious though: the little clothing I buy is usually designer or highly technical, and neutral colors which can be combined in many different ways and still match.


I love unnecessary optimization! This was a fun little project. My end goal of to be more like you. I had just lost a lot of weight and before buying the few higher quality items I wanted to be more informed about which ones I personally would get the most value from.


Can you expand on highly technical clothing? I don’t know what technologies are there in clothing, but I’m very interested in trying them.


Technical clothing just means materials that have a purpose beyond looking good e.g. sweat/moisture wicking, light amount of stretch while staying tear resistant, having better ventilating material in certain places etc. It's sometimes confused with urban technical streetware brands but really it's any smart or casual clothes that take a lot of influence from hiking gear without looking like you're going for a hike.


By technical clothing, I basically mean layers with carefully chosen materials. Merino wool underlayers, outer layers appropriate for the activity: rain jacket, fleece, spandex.


Amazing that there are just off the shelf nfc tags shaped like clothing buttons.


Yeah, and for $0.28 apiece as well, so getting 500 of those for just $140. I'm starting to want to glue one of those to everything I own now, which is less than 500 items.


It makes me wonder how many of my clothes already have an nfc tag permanently attached, but I don't know because I never checked.


Wouldn't they trigger the detectors at stores?


You mean the security gates? Those don't use NFC, at least I've never seen one that does. EAS systems are old technology and that also means they're usually dirt cheap. Perhaps there would be some niche use for NFC, but I can't think of one.


For anyone in the UK, I swear by my army desert socks. Very comfy, very hard-wearing, very tolerant to any kind of laundry cycle. eBay is a good place to start:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=army+desert+socks


I am fortunate in that I have a uniform budget from my job and unfortunate in that nice clothes are really a case of "polishing a turd" due to my unattractiveness, so I just coast by on what my job provides.


This is cool. I want to maintain a food log that automatically goes to a Notion doc. Currently doing it by manually logging each major ingredient in every meal. NFC not quite feasible option


This is awesome! Makes me wonder what else you could track with a boatload of NFC tags like this.

Kitchen ingredients? Houseplant watering schedules?

I might have to try out a project like this.


They make cheap sticker ones that I used for testing before upgrading to the machine washable buttons. Combined with apple shortcuts lots of interesting things you can automate.


If you're looking to do more analysis on this data, it would be cool to see a correlation matrix for different articles of clothing in different categories. E.g. looking at how frequently you wear certain tops/bottoms together, or bottoms/shoes.

https://www.displayr.com/what-is-a-correlation-matrix/

Another example of this chart I saw recently was examining compound curse words on reddit:

https://colinmorris.github.io/blog/compound-curse-words#the-...


If I saw the cost per wear on some of my shoes I think i’d lock my credit card in a safe.


This is something Patrick Bateman would do if American Psycho was set in 2022.


Thanks for sharing! I think it's pretty interesting to look at cost per wear. Wish I could get the same insights from my wardrobe without all of the effort.


It looks like he wore about 64 unique items in a year. Excluding two pairs of shoes. That seems like a lot?


It’s been less the last couple of years because of limited travel and business gathering but counting outdoor activity gear—not really.


A fashion brand could take inspiration from this, and offer a clothes-as-a-service.


I think there's something called Rent the Runway that offers this, for women. Then there's Stitch Fix, which is basically a kinda-sorta personal shopper who will pick things out for you (but within a very restricted set of vendors and price points).


Stitch Fix offers that


That seems to be picking out clothes for you to buy?

Rental expensive formal clothes for special occasions is obviously a thing. But as with many other things, the overhead of renting stuff for day to day use just doesn't work for most cases.


It is. Other sites do exist for renting clothing like hurr and by rotation.


yay


This is awesome, well done!




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