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Way too expensive. Google vision OCR (which they failed to compare against), is $1.50 per 1k pages. Vs $4 from Mistral.

It’s not the same service. Google’s vision OCR is pure text extraction, not layout. Pretty sure Google’s doc AI services that can identify headers vs body text is $10 per 1k pages.

That’s true, though worth beating a dead horse to say that traditional OCR won’t hallucinate sentences, perform unwanted translation, or change the meaning of whole paragraphs to something more “appropriate”.

interesting - an equivalent Azure Document Intelligence service (scanning with layout) is 10$/1k

What metrics are you using to classify it as a downfall?


I don't care either way but I got curious.

Not an easy thing to gauge. X/Twitter stopped publishing MAUs after the acquisition.

External estimates vary, some point to growth, some to stagnation. We know that revenue suffered. LOTS of partisan and emotional opinions for either.

Google trends does paint a bleak picture for X but I am also questioning how much google itself can gauge that after LLMs exploded in popularity.

Anecdotally I did notice that references and embeds to X are way less prominent and common than before. My usual news used to be filled with them. My consumption of the platform also plummeted after not being able to read threads when not logged, its much harder for me to get drawn into it.

Still without data, I would be surprised if the changes to verification and logged out access did not massively hurt new adoption. With tiktoks prevalence amongst a new generation I would bet its a matter of time before X gets grouped to tumbler/facebook, not dead, but way past its peak and cultural relevance. If that has not already happened.


> Not an easy thing to gauge. X/Twitter stopped publishing MAUs after the acquisition.

You're in luck. IIRC some of the SpaceX IPO marketing materials said they have 550M MAU.


Anecdata: Mastodon now has witty, un-earnest comments semi-regularly. And I have learned of maybe ten percent of breaking news things in the last three months on Mastodon via links that weren’t just to twitter.


Impact in the zeitgeist. Twitter was everywhere. Regularly referenced on live news television statins. Was considered a major news source. Shows had segments dedicated to it. Everyone and every brand had a Twitter. That is not the case today. Not by a long shot.


Reddit has more monthly active users than twitter and reddit isn't really culturally relevant at all (neither is twitter either IMO).


Is there something in the post that you find implausible or don't believe to be true?


> Taken far enough, and given enough compute, that trend points to an AI system capable of fully autonomously designing and developing its own successor. This is called recursive self-improvement.

Sounds iterative to me.


I doubt this is representative of real world usage. There is a difference between a few turns on a web chatbot, vs many-turn cli usage on a real project.


Entire segments of the podcast sphere are making their money talking about these so-called unspeakable subjects. Why don't you share what you really think.


I mean, your right, unless you actually work for a government or state and then you cannot.

https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/anti-israel-policies-are-ant...


Maybe because there are laws against it?


Those are the same thing


They are not if there aren't customers who are willing to pay more. For instance imagine a widget that lasts 1 year and is just under 1/2 the price of one that lasts 2 years. There may be high demand because it's the more economical option. If you raise the price so that it's 1/2 the price of the 2 year widget then demand collapses without effecting supply.


If customers were willing to pay more then a higher price wouldn't solve anything. The price is said to be too low exactly because people are trying to buy more than there is available to sell. The whole point of higher prices is to try and scare people away. Not enough supply and a price too low are the same thing.


48 GB is not consumer hardware. But fundamentally, there are economies of scale due to batching, power distribution, better utilization etc.., that means data center tokens will be cheaper. Also, as the cost of training (frontier) models increases, it's not clear the Chinese companies will continue open sourcing them. Notice for example, that Qwen-Max is not open source.


Nothing obviously prevents using this approach, e.g. for 3B-active or 10B-active models, which do run on consumer hardware. I'd love to see how the 3B performs with this on the MacBook Neo, for example. More relevantly, data-center scale tokens are only cheaper for the specific type of tokens data centers sell. If you're willing to wait long enough for your inferences (and your overall volume is low enough that you can afford this) you can use approaches like OP's (offloading read-only data to storage) to handle inference on low-performing, slow "edge" devices.


It is consumer hardware in the sense that Macbook Pros come with this RAM size as base and that you can buy them as a consumer, without having to sign a special B2B contract, show that your company is big and reputable enough, and order a minimum of 10 or 100.


> 48 GB is not consumer hardware.

It’s a MacBook.


Technically that's correct (which as we all know is the best kind of correct), but really, how many consumers are buying a high-end MacBook Pro with 48GB or more of RAM? That's a very small percentage of the population. In these kinds of discussions, "consumer" is being used as a proxy for "something your average home laptop buyer might have". And a 48GB MBP is not that.

I know it's annoying, because a 48GB MBP is indeed technically "consumer hardware", but please understand the context and don't be pedantic. You know what the GP meant. (And if not, that's... kinda on you.)


> but please understand the context and don't be pedantic.

The context is this is something I can pick up at an Apple Store and not some rig I have to build with NVIDIA cards.

I led with:

> get closer and closer to consumer hardware

I think this demonstrates getting closer, whether you think a MacBook is consumer hardware or not. But I'm the one being pedantic.


Do you have any evidence to support this view?


Read who and how it was founded. It's not a secret at all.


It’s funny how I got immediately downvoted and flagged


Who else would MITM 30% of the internet?


Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $0.25 / 1M tokens Output: $15.00 / 1M tokens

https://openai.com/api/pricing/


It's clearly true there have been abuses as a result of this technology. And its also clearly true criminals have been caught as a result of the cams, that otherwise would not have been.

If you believe the costs of the the abuses, and potential abuses, exceed the benefit, then at least be honest about the trade-off, because there are real benefits.

Personally, I believe the costs, on net, are worth the benefits. And in so far as the costs can be further reduced, without loosing most benefits, then great. This is not right or wrong. It's just a question of values, and how you weight the costs vs benefits.

Don't down-vote this all at once.


Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.[1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


My question to you is: how are you assessing the costs? Do you know how many crimes have been stopped as a result of these cams? Do you know the extent to which our privacy is being lost and our data is being used against us or others?


I take into account publicly available information (news articles), factor in personal anecdotes, and reason about human nature and incentives. I know the extent of reported abuses, and I do my best to extrapolate. It's not perfect, but such is life.

To be clear, even if we all agreed on the data, I still would not expect everyone to take the same position. There are subjective differences in values.


I get that but at the very least one should demand evidence to their efficacy


Flock has put out a report claiming 10% crime in the US is solved using their technology. There are of course counter argument, that claim this is not valid.

https://www.flocksafety.com/customers/how-many-crimes-do-aut...


I strongly agree with this take.


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